[Websg Meetup] Meetup Digest, Vol 3, Issue 7

Mon Feb 26 09:17:25 EST 2007

Hey all,

N00bie here. I suppose some key issues that IDA faced are to sort out the
previous version's legacy information, establish an information
architecture, compliant to WIS and to make the website visually attractive.
I think this version looks better than the last and is slightly more
intuitive. :)

PS: The WIS is meant as a guideline, and not a must to comply with every
clauses.

cheers

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> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:49:18 +0800 (CST)
> From: Lim Chunwui < linus_lim at yahoo.com.sg>
> Subject: Re: [Websg Meetup] Meetup Digest, Vol 3, Issue 6
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> yes i also found out the IDA website through my boss.  all are panicking
> if URA revamp did not comply to IDA so call standards.
>
>   so i run through IDA and found out they din even meet the 800by600
> requirement. All the horizontal scrollbars starts to come in. Where is the
> 760pixel wide they set for all the agencies? And to my surprise, the vendor
> did not make it a flexible layout...
>
>   Come to my mind and agree with Vanessa, the vendors so call know-how css
> are apply to fonts.  I doubt they know how to do fluid layout.  Should send
> the vendors back to school :)
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> 1. IDA website revamped (Vanessa Tan)
> 2. Re: IDA website revamped (jim)
> 3. Re: IDA website revamped (Vanessa Tan)
> 4. Re: IDA website revamped (Redha)
> 5. Re: IDA website revamped (Coleman Yee)
> 6. Re: IDA website revamped (draco)
> 7. Re: IDA website revamped (Vanessa Tan)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:44:06 +0800
> From: "Vanessa Tan"
> Subject: [Websg Meetup] IDA website revamped
> To: meetup at websg.org
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> Just got wind of IDA's revamp: http://www.ida.gov.sg/
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> My initial feedback:
>
> 1) They're still using tables and font tags.
>
> 2) Visually, it's more text-heavy than the previous site.
>
> 3) Navigation wise, it feels more well-organised than the previous site.
> The
> previous site redirected to something like www.ida.gov.sg/marketing ... I
> know that their Mktg Dept handled the website but the rest of the world
> didn't need to be redirected to the Marketing folder.
>
> 4) If you type the URL without the 'www', you can't access the site.
>
> 5) They seemed to have complied with the Govt Web Interface Standards in
> terms of layout, which is good since they're the ones who wrote it :)
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> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:38:31 +0800
> From: jim
> Subject: Re: [Websg Meetup] IDA website revamped
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> >> 4) If you type the URL without the 'www', you can't access the site.
>
> This is a common problem with most .gov site here...can't they set
> redirects
> ... or something ?
>
> On 2/26/07, Vanessa Tan wrote:
> >
> > Just got wind of IDA's revamp: http://www.ida.gov.sg/
> >
> > My initial feedback:
> >
> > 1) They're still using tables and font tags.
> >
> > 2) Visually, it's more text-heavy than the previous site.
> >
> > 3) Navigation wise, it feels more well-organised than the previous site.
>
> > The previous site redirected to something like www.ida.gov.sg/marketing...
> I know that their Mktg Dept handled the website but the rest of the
> > world didn't need to be redirected to the Marketing folder.
> >
> > 4) If you type the URL without the 'www', you can't access the site.
> >
> > 5) They seemed to have complied with the Govt Web Interface Standards in
> > terms of layout, which is good since they're the ones who wrote it :)
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:11:59 +0800
> From: "Vanessa Tan"
> Subject: Re: [Websg Meetup] IDA website revamped
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> I wrote in to the Feedback Unit 2 years ago about how most Govt websites
> can't be accessed without a 'www'. I got an automated reply. Wrote in to
> the
> new REACH and they said they'd note my comments. No changes yet...
>
> For my own agency I specially requested all our web addresses to work,
> with
> or without the 'www'. Have to make this 'www' issue very clear when
> registering new domain names as it doesn't always occur to our IT people.
>
> On 26/02/07, jim wrote:
> >
> > >> 4) If you type the URL without the 'www', you can't access the site.
> >
> > This is a common problem with most .gov site here...can't they set
> > redirects ... or something ?
> >
> > On 2/26/07, Vanessa Tan wrote:
> >
> > > Just got wind of IDA's revamp: http://www.ida.gov.sg/
> > >
> > > My initial feedback:
> > >
> > > 1) They're still using tables and font tags.
> > >
> > > 2) Visually, it's more text-heavy than the previous site.
> > >
> > > 3) Navigation wise, it feels more well-organised than the previous
> site.
> > > The previous site redirected to something like www.ida.gov.sg/marketing.
> .. I know that their Mktg Dept handled the website but the rest of the
> > > world didn't need to be redirected to the Marketing folder.
> > >
> > > 4) If you type the URL without the 'www', you can't access the site.
> > >
> > > 5) They seemed to have complied with the Govt Web Interface Standards
> in
> > > terms of layout, which is good since they're the ones who wrote it :)
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Meetup at websg.org
> > > http://websg.org/mailman/listinfo/meetup_websg.org
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> > >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:51:00 +0800
> From: Redha
> Subject: Re: [Websg Meetup] IDA website revamped
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> So strange cos i've just read this blog entry last week
> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000797.html
>
> On 26/02/07, Vanessa Tan wrote:
> > I wrote in to the Feedback Unit 2 years ago about how most Govt websites
> > can't be accessed without a 'www'. I got an automated reply. Wrote in to
> the
> > new REACH and they said they'd note my comments. No changes yet...
> >
> > For my own agency I specially requested all our web addresses to work,
> with
> > or without the 'www'. Have to make this 'www' issue very clear when
> > registering new domain names as it doesn't always occur to our IT
> people.
> >
> >
> > On 26/02/07, jim wrote:
> > > >> 4) If you type the URL without the 'www', you can't access the
> site.
> > >
> > > This is a common problem with most .gov site here...can't they set
> > redirects ... or something ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/26/07, Vanessa Tan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just got wind of IDA's revamp: http://www.ida.gov.sg/
> > > >
> > > > My initial feedback:
> > > >
> > > > 1) They're still using tables and font tags.
> > > >
> > > > 2) Visually, it's more text-heavy than the previous site.
> > > >
> > > > 3) Navigation wise, it feels more well-organised than the previous
> site.
> > The previous site redirected to something like www.ida.gov.sg/marketing...
> > I know that their Mktg Dept handled the website but the rest of the
> world
> > didn't need to be redirected to the Marketing folder.
> > > >
> > > > 4) If you type the URL without the 'www', you can't access the site.
> > > >
> > > > 5) They seemed to have complied with the Govt Web Interface
> Standards in
> > terms of layout, which is good since they're the ones who wrote it :)
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Meetup mailing list
> > > > Meetup at websg.org
> > > > http://websg.org/mailman/listinfo/meetup_websg.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Meetup mailing list
> > > Meetup at websg.org
> > > http://websg.org/mailman/listinfo/meetup_websg.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Meetup mailing list
> > Meetup at websg.org
> > http://websg.org/mailman/listinfo/meetup_websg.org
> >
> >
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:14:11 +0800
> From: "Coleman Yee"
> Subject: Re: [Websg Meetup] IDA website revamped
> To: "Vanessa Tan"
> Cc: meetup at websg.org
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> i noticed the WAI sticker at the bottom left, claiming that they have 'A'
> compliance level for accessibility.
>
> ol' cynical me couldn't resist verifying:
> http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=2&url1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ida.gov.sg%2Fhome%2Findex.aspx
>
> they fail.
>
> incidentally, MCYS (http://app.mcys.gov.sg/web/home_main.asp) claims to be
> AAA-compliant.
> here's the results:
>
> http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=2&url1=http%3A%2F%2Fapp.mcys.gov.sg%2Fweb%2Fhome_main.asp
> they fail also.
> MCYS passes most of the automated checks, but they fail spectacularly for
> manual checkpoints, especially with their use of table-based layout.
>
> we should write in to comprain.
>
>
>
> On 2/26/07, Vanessa Tan wrote:
> >
> > Just got wind of IDA's revamp: http://www.ida.gov.sg/
> >
> > My initial feedback:
> >
> > 1) They're still using tables and font tags.
> >
> > 2) Visually, it's more text-heavy than the previous site.
> >
> > 3) Navigation wise, it feels more well-organised than the previous site.
>
> > The previous site redirected to something like www.ida.gov.sg/marketing...
> I know that their Mktg Dept handled the website but the rest of the
> > world didn't need to be redirected to the Marketing folder.
> >
> > 4) If you type the URL without the 'www', you can't access the site.
> >
> > 5) They seemed to have complied with the Govt Web Interface Standards in
> > terms of layout, which is good since they're the ones who wrote it :)
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Meetup mailing list
> > Meetup at websg.org
> > http://websg.org/mailman/listinfo/meetup_websg.org
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> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:09:24 +0800
> From: draco
> Subject: Re: [Websg Meetup] IDA website revamped
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> Yea, I think we should too.
>
> Anyway, it would not be that hard to replicate that table based site
> into a proper html/css-based too, I think (technically, not in term of
> entire site conversion).
>
> Oh, and let them know it's time to loose the best viewed message
> already, in case someone actually mails in. ;)
>
> On 2/26/07, Coleman Yee wrote:
> > i noticed the WAI sticker at the bottom left, claiming that they have
> 'A'
> > compliance level for accessibility.
> >
> > ol' cynical me couldn't resist verifying:
> >
> http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=2&url1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ida.gov.sg%2Fhome%2Findex.aspx
> > they fail.
> >
> > incidentally, MCYS
> > ( http://app.mcys.gov.sg/web/home_main.asp ) claims to be
> > AAA-compliant.
> > here's the results:
> >
> http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=2&url1=http%3A%2F%2Fapp.mcys.gov.sg%2Fweb%2Fhome_main.asp
> > they fail also.
> > MCYS passes most of the automated checks, but they fail spectacularly
> for
> > manual checkpoints, especially with their use of table-based layout.
> >
> > we should write in to comprain.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/26/07, Vanessa Tan wrote:
> > >
> > > Just got wind of IDA's revamp: http://www.ida.gov.sg/
> > >
> > > My initial feedback:
> > >
> > > 1) They're still using tables and font tags.
> > >
> > > 2) Visually, it's more text-heavy than the previous site.
> > >
> > > 3) Navigation wise, it feels more well-organised than the previous
> site.
> > The previous site redirected to something like www.ida.gov.sg/marketing
> ...
> > I know that their Mktg Dept handled the website but the rest of the
> world
> > didn't need to be redirected to the Marketing folder.
> > >
> > > 4) If you type the URL without the 'www', you can't access the site.
> > >
> > > 5) They seemed to have complied with the Govt Web Interface Standards
> in
> > terms of layout, which is good since they're the ones who wrote it :)
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Meetup mailing list
> > > Meetup at websg.org
> > > http://websg.org/mailman/listinfo/meetup_websg.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> draco
> http://draco.devsync.net/
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:20:56 +0800
> From: "Vanessa Tan"
> Subject: Re: [Websg Meetup] IDA website revamped
> To: meetup at websg.org
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> A few years ago, we met with the company that made MCYS's website
> AAA-accessible. They estimated how much it would cost to make our
> organisation's website accessible as well. I recall the amount was a six
> or
> seven-figure sum. We said forget it! Their prices weren't accessible :P
>
> On 26/02/07, Coleman Yee wrote:
> >
> > i noticed the WAI sticker at the bottom left, claiming that they have
> 'A'
> > compliance level for accessibility.
> >
> > ol' cynical me couldn't resist verifying:
> >
> > http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=2&url1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ida.gov.sg%2Fhome%2Findex.aspx
>
> > they fail.
> >
> > incidentally, MCYS (http://app.mcys.gov.sg/web/home_main.asp ) claims to
> > be AAA-compliant.
> > here's the results:
> > http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=2&url1=http%3A%2F%2Fapp.mcys.gov.sg%2Fweb%2Fhome_main.asp
>
> >
> > they fail also.
> > MCYS passes most of the automated checks, but they fail spectacularly
> for
> > manual checkpoints, especially with their use of table-based layout.
> >
> > we should write in to comprain.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/26/07, Vanessa Tan wrote:
> > >
> > > Just got wind of IDA's revamp: http://www.ida.gov.sg/
> > >
> > > My initial feedback:
> > >
> > > 1) They're still using tables and font tags.
> > >
> > > 2) Visually, it's more text-heavy than the previous site.
> > >
> > > 3) Navigation wise, it feels more well-organised than the previous
> site.
> > > The previous site redirected to something like
> www.ida.gov.sg/marketing... I know that their Mktg Dept handled the
> website but the rest of the
> > > world didn't need to be redirected to the Marketing folder.
> > >
> > > 4) If you type the URL without the 'www', you can't access the site.
> > >
> > > 5) They seemed to have complied with the Govt Web Interface Standards
> in
> > > terms of layout, which is good since they're the ones who wrote it :)
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Meetup mailing list
> > > Meetup at websg.org
> > > http://websg.org/mailman/listinfo/meetup_websg.org
> > >
> > >
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